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Mark Interviews Andrew Hansen

Mark: Once again, I think for the third time in the history of the Late Night Internet Marketing Podcast, I have the king of vegemite, the guy from Australia, the niche marketing on crack guru. That’s going to take him back a little bit. I have Andrew Hansen on the mic and the only problem I have is it is 3:00 in the morning in Dallas. Actually, it’s almost 4:00. Good morning, Andrew. How are you?

Andrew: Good morning, Mark. What a pleasure to be here again.

Mark: It’s a pleasure for me, too. You have to know that I like talking to you if I’m willing to get up in the morning at 3-something in the morning to set up the mic so we can have a call. What is up with this GMT thing for you? You’re still in London, right?

Andrew: Yeah, that’s right.

Mark: You’re living the dream of location independent business and you choose the worst time zone on the planet for the Late Night Internet Marketer.

Andrew: It’s true, and when I was deciding where to live I regret in hindsight not factoring in Mark Mason’s location in the world into my decision. If I had been a wiser man, I would have done that.

Mark: Certainly you’ll move again and when you do, I want to have a vote, okay?

Andrew: I can do that for you, brother.

Mark: How have you been? I think the answer is you’ve been busting your butt, as it were. From what I hear, you’ve been working nonstop for the last six months or even longer on a new course.

Andrew: Yeah, that’s right. I’ve been working a little more than I’d like, actually. It’s the part of the year where I’m just kind of working on affiliate sites on and off and running the passive income side of the business.

It’s a lot easier than coming to the time where I put together a course like this. It’s obviously much more intensive. I’ve been working quite hard for quite long on this now and it will certainly be good to be able to share this with everyone soon.

Mark: Before we talk about the course, you make a lot of money on actually doing affiliate marketing. I want to talk about that because that means that you do the courses for some reasons that aren’t just about making money with online coaching materials. I want to get into that a little bit because I literally have known you, I guess Niche Marketing on Crack goes back to 2007?

Andrew: Yes, that’s right.

Mark: You’ve been talking about niche marketing since 2007, kind of like me, and you’ve been doing it since 2007. From what I hear, you’re still doing it but I’m confused because there are a lot of people online who are saying you can’t do niche marketing anymore because of Panda and Penguin and all of these changes that Google has made. Free traffic is impossible, the world is ending.

In fact, I heard these Google updates somehow were tied into the Mayan calendar updates. What’s up with all that? Is it true? Are we done? Should I just shut down the podcast and give it up?

Andrew: Yeah, you’re probably like me. You’ve been doing this business for so long that you’ve seen that this isn’t the first Google update that you’ve ever seen in your life. These things have been happening for a long time. Google has, since the beginning of their search engine, been making updates that improve the results that they show to their searchers, and that make modifications to the way that people who want to do SEO well have to adapt to.

There’s no question that over the last 12 months in particular there have been some changes that made it difficult for people to keep doing their SEO, particularly as it comes to affiliate marketing, in the same way. A lot of people heard that and saw some of the things that happened last year and they just made some strange conclusions because of it.

Because they’re affiliate sites that they had made and that they had gotten to rank using methods that were old and that arguably should have been prevented or should have been shut down a long time ago, now finally got shut down. They had been too aggressive with their SEO, they had done things that don’t represent natural search engine marketing, and they got penalized for doing them. Because of that, some people said maybe because it’s a catchy headline I guess and because it generates attention they started spreading rumors like affiliate marketing in the search engines is dead and SEO is too hard now or SEO is not worth it now since Penguin.

It’s obvious for anyone who’s out there actually still doing these things that that’s not really true. There’s obviously still money to be made. Like I’ve been telling people, there are rankings to be had in the search engines, often in many cases even somehow easier than they were able to be achieved before which is quite contradictory to what most people are thinking, but it’s demonstrating itself in the results that not just me but many people like me are attaining at the moment.

Mark: Let me clarify something. There are two things you might be saying, and I want to make sure we understand what you’re saying. One thing you might be saying is that if you had affiliate websites before all these updates, you can still make money with those sites.

Another thing you might be saying that I think is more interesting to my listeners is that if you’re starting today and you want to make new affiliate websites today, you can find offers, put up sites, and rank for those buying keywords and convert those offers starting right now today. Is that what you’re saying?

Andrew: Absolutely, yeah. I stick to that claim. Probably starting today, doing everything properly today from scratch, like if you weren’t influenced by the methods of old, if you started right now today with the most up to date methods, like that was the first thing that you were exposed to, the first kind of strategy you were exposed to when it came to SEO, absolutely you could still rank and you could still make money from this stuff and probably easier than you could have last year or the year before.

I’d love to give you some concrete examples of that if you’d like.

Mark: I do want a concrete example and I want to ask you one more question, and then we’ll go to some examples. Is it more about there’s some new, magical thing that you’ve discovered that’s a super easy trick, it’s an easy button to make money online instantly and you can just push it, or is it that stuff that we’ve been doing all along, some of it still works, some of it doesn’t, and what you have to do is focus on the stuff that we’ve been doing all along that actually still works? What’s the deal here?

Andrew: As you know, it’s certainly not a magic button kind of situation. There really are none of those in internet marketing or in any business that I know of.

Mark: There aren’t? You mean I can’t just get something for nothing?

Andrew: Maybe you can, but you’re above the average man.

Mark: Okay, very good.

Andrew: The reality is that by doing some of the things that we used to do but some of the things are new and perhaps a little bit different, rankings can be gotten right now just as easily as, sometimes easier than they have been able to in the past.

This is something I haven’t talked about publicly before. It’s maybe a little secret from the course but I’d love to share it with your listeners. An example is that if we’re talking about SEO, anyone who’s done this kind of thing before knows that one of the things you have to do to get rankings in the search engines is to build links, to build backlinks to your site. One of the kinds of backlinks that you would traditionally have made it to do is backlinks where the anchor text, the keyword that the link contains, is the keyword that you want to rank for.

One of the things that Google did in their more recent updates was again arguably something they should have done a long time ago to identify people who were trying to gain the search engines, so to speak. They cut down the weight that was placed on the number of anchor text links you have in your portfolio, in your link profile.

If you had a little site and you were competing against other sites for any given keyword, like even a low competition keyword, in the old days you might have had to build 40 or 50 backlinks for your site, many of them using an anchor text that was at least related to your keyword. That was like a core of SEO strategy for a long time, and that stuff worked.

Since Google has cut down on that, now if you go out and build a site and you build 50 backlinks to it with variations of your anchor text, you’re going to be penalized. That site’s not going to last you very long. It might get rankings quickly, but as soon as Google hits the refresh button on one of those new algorithm updates, that site’s going to be penalized and it’s going to find it quite difficult to rank after that.

Nowadays, if you start from scratch, a lot of emphasis now in the search engines is placed on brand name anchor links instead, which means backlinks that come to your site which don’t have any keyword as the anchor text which is really the opposite of what anyone used to focus on in your back linking. Maybe some people, smart SEOs would throw a few of those in just for diversity and for making things look as natural as possible, but they weren’t by any means a staple of any SEO’s link profile. Now they need to be a staple.

Those are the back links where the anchor text is your URL. It’s like www.YourSite.com, or just YourSite.com or http://YourSite.com, variations of that brand and your personal name, as well, [email protected], whatever it is.

Those brand anchor links are really important, and those are quite easy to build and you can do them without looking unnatural in any way. The thing is, you still need some small number of anchor text links in your profile, but a very small number. For example, I’ve seen and I’ve confirmed that this is the experience of many other affiliates doing SEO at the moment is that if you’re trying to get something to rank in the search engines, you build up this small base of links and then by throwing just a couple, a very small number like a handful, literally under five in some cases, three, four, five backlinks at your site that have an anchor text focus, Google will rank you depending on the competition, of course.

It’s all relative, but as an example, you might be able to get rankings with just that number of those backlinks, just a few of them, and not only for that keyword but ranking more easily for LSI related keywords to that one, as well, without you even having any anchor text links that indicate you should be relevant for that keyword.

They’ve upgraded their ability to determine what a site should rank for broadly, not just a keyword that it’s directly targeting, but ones that it’s indirectly targeting, as well. They’re happy to rank you and give you traffic for those terms, too. That’s just one example of how in some ways doing SEO and building links and following this model for getting traffic is really easier than it has been in the past.

Mark: Just to hit that point a little bit, you said LSI keywords. I’m not sure that everybody who’s listening to this will have heard that term before. Can you expand on that a little bit and talk about what these LSI keywords are and why they’re important for affiliate traffic?

Andrew: We don’t even need to go into the depth of the real definition of LSI and specifically what those mean. It just means related keywords, basically. A really clear example, like if our main keyword is “dog training” for example, that’s a bad one because that’s obviously very competitive and none of us would be going off to that. A related keyword might be “dog training school.” That’s probably a bad example too because that’s quite specific, but it just means a related keyword; a keyword that’s quite closely related to your main keyword.

A better example is if your product name keyword was some weight loss product called “Weight Loss RX.” You could build an anchor text link for just that one keyword, the main product name, Wellness RX and you might find that you can rank quite easily for “Wellness RX capsules” or “Wellness RX pills” or something like that, which would be like a variation on the product name.

You didn’t specify those variations in your anchor text and in your link building, but Google has determined that those are the same thing, so you could rank for multiple variations of the same product name with just the anchor text, just the backlinks related to one of those variations which is very, very powerful.

Mark: What I usually tell people is that LSI keywords are the keywords that are statistically likely to be around. If you’re ranking for keyword A, an LSI keyword is a keyword that when people are talking about A, they’re almost always also talking about B. That’s what you’re talking about.

Andrew: Absolutely.

Mark: Thanks for that. You said you had some concrete examples of what you’ve been seeing in the last six months or a year. Do you want to talk about that a little bit?

Andrew: Yeah, I kind of touched on it then. In terms of examples for SEO and for link building and how it can be easier than it has been, the stuff I just mentioned is a pattern that I’ve seen multiple times. Every time now in revising my SEO campaigns, it’s a pattern that other SEOs have noticed, as well.

In terms of more concrete examples, part of the reason that I’m making this course finally is that I set myself a bit of a challenge last year after the hardest of the Google updates had taken place. Because I was hearing all of this noise, the same noise that you heard I’m sure about how difficult it is in the search engines now, some people are saying it’s no longer possible. I kind of wanted to take just an ego move and just say, “I’m going to prove this to people once and for all. I’m sick of these people saying these things without them being properly backed up. I’m going to demonstrate it once and for all.”

I’m going to start from scratch. Obviously I have all the affiliate sites. Like you, I’ve been doing this for a long time. I wanted to start some new ones just to challenge myself. I’m going to go from the very beginning, new domains, new sites, starting right now after the supposedly most difficult of these Google updates. I said if I can make these rank quickly and have them make money just like they always have, then no one will be able to argue that making money in the search engines is difficult now; making money as an affiliate is difficult now.

That’s what I did. I started a bunch of new campaigns in September of last year, which is more or less after a year of aggressive updates. This was after Penguin, after a coupe of the Penguin refreshes, long after Panda, after the exact match domain update. I believe some of the new campaigns, the new sites I started were after that and a couple of them were before.

Yeah, basically the results spoke for themselves. I certainly had to do some things differently, and that’s what this new course is about. Like we were saying, I didn’t just go out and start doing sites and doing link building like it had always been done. At the same time as I’m saying these updates haven’t killed affiliate marketing, they haven’t killed SEO, they’re still not something that you just ignore as though they didn’t happen. The search engines did change and that has to be taken into effect.

With consideration to those changes, I started these new campaigns. As I suspected, there was really no difference in my ability to make money in the search engines or as an affiliate than there ever had been. Sites are still profitable.

There were three sites that I’m going to be talking about, and they ranged from $300 to $3,000 a month in income. The first one I think this month is going to do about $400, it’s at the lower end. It’s $400 a month. It’s a five page site, it promotes a product name, it has a product name in the domain name which exact match domain update is supposedly impossible to do now. It still ranks against traffic for these long tail keywords, it still converts fantastically, and it’s worth about $400 a month. The total amount of work I did on it was probably two days worth of work in total and I haven’t touched it now for three months or something like that.

The second site got up to about $1,000 a month, I think $1,100 this month actually. It’s a similar thing. It’s a mini-site. It has about eight articles on it now. It does $1,100 a month, the average amount of traffic on that one I think was about 250 visitors a day. It was a little bit higher. The traffic on the first one averages about 20 visits a day. It was really low. The second one just kind of exploded and took off for a couple of keywords and there’s still a lot of the traffic that’s un-monetized.

The site also has a keyword in the domain name, which again supposedly doesn’t work anymore, which is obviously just rubbish. $1,100 a month in that one. That one’s really cool.

The final one is about $3,024 a month. It’s also a small site. It has about seven or eight articles on it, as well. It gets traffic from a couple of different search engines.

That’s another thing that’s really cool now and worth mentioning, too. It gets traffic from Google, but as Bing is growing I’m finding for our affiliate sites, it’s more of a factor in the traffic game. It’s not huge, it certainly doesn’t match Google, but it’s possible now which it hasn’t really been in the past to have a site that gets just traffic from Bing and actually makes money that is significant. It makes an income just from Bing on its own. That’s quite cool, too.

This site also has a keyword in the domain name. It also has a tiny amount of content. This one only gets around 40 visitors a day and makes $3,000 a month.

That’s just the number of sites that I had time to make in that short space of time while I was kind of documenting this process so that I would be able to create it and give it to people, as well, to say, “Look, this is exactly what I did after all these updates. If you copy this, you’ll have the same results.”

Those things kind of speak for themselves to demonstrate that it’s as possible as it has ever been to make money as a search engine affiliate with free traffic.

Mark: Let’s talk about this. What that proves is it’s possible for Andrew Hansen, Niche Marketer on Crack who’s been doing this since 2005 when all this really kind of started, it’s possible for you to make money online. I hope people believe that. I know you and I know when you quote numbers they’re real. I’ve seen the screenshots, I’ve been through the products. I know you.

There are people listening to this right now who hear a number like $2,000 a month. Some of these people have been slogging away at internet marketing at various levels using various techniques for months or years and maybe they haven’t even made their first dollar yet, so hearing $400 a month, $1,000 a month on a site like that, it seems kind of shocking.

Can you talk a little bit about the kinds of experiences you have with these kind of courses? You’ve done this kind of course in the past. What’s your experience with new people who haven’t made money online? Are they able to follow this? Does it work for them? What’s the story for somebody who doesn’t make their living online but is trying to learn how to do that?

Andrew: This is kind of the story of this new course of mine. After that period of time where I started making those sites, at the end of last year, and they had started to do really well, we were in Thailand at the time. We took three months over there. I wanted to go over there and just kind of have three months and just work and do nothing else and just kind of relax on the beaches and eat a ton of Thai food and get this work done.

After we came back from there when I had this method together and it was working well, we were just replicating it and knocking these sites out. We came back and I inadvertently was presented with an opportunity to test this out; to test out exactly the question that you just asked. Yeah, this worked for me, but would it work for someone who is totally new at this?

The opportunity that I got was that a friend of mine, a guy who lives in London, was putting on a seminar here. It was for mostly new marketers, but it was kind of a mix. He asked if I would come and speak at this seminar. I don’t usually speak at seminars; I think you know that it’s just not my thing. I don’t really like that whole side of the business and I’ve never done it before, but I thought this guy was a close friend of mine, he’s known me probably as long as you have and I thought I would do this for him. I thought it would be quite cool.

I spoke at this seminar and I presented a bit of this new formula that I’ve been working on, and after it I gave a small group of people, it was about six people, the chance to do a private coaching thing with me where I would walk them through this new model that I had been working on. I took people through this model and a lot of these were extremely new people.

This one guy who was, I guess, around 65 years old. He was a retired dentist. He had been a professional previously and he had been doing marketing online for five months. He was probably 65 years old, he has white hair, if you can picture him he’s not amazing on the computer. He knows how to use the internet and stuff and he had had people help him set up things before but he was really a newbie. No one could argue that he was anything but a newbie at this stuff.

I spent four calls with him of an hour each taking him through this new system. The first call we had I told him about finding the right markets to use, a subject we could discuss forever, but finding these perfect markets to get into that have low competition, that can be ranked for and that traffic can be gotten for quite easily and stuff like that. We found him a reasonably good market, we got him started on that, and we were able to set up a site very quickly.

None of that stuff takes much time. We got his first content created on it quite easily, that stuff’s outsource-able, as you know, as well. He had a site that was up and ready for traffic after really the first week, I guess.

By the second week, we were able to start getting some traffic for him for some kind of long tail keywords, and we mixed it up a little bit there with Bing and Google. This guy had his first sale on this method after about 10 to 14 days. He made $56 on his first sale of this product after that short period of time.

When that happened I was like, “Wow.” I actually didn’t even expect that it would be so quick. I should clarify, that’s not necessarily typical. Sometimes you get lucky on one of these things, like you just hit the perfect keyword where there’s almost no one else targeting it and the product converts really highly and you get a few long tail visitors for that keyword and you make a sale. It’s not necessarily typical, but that was really cool. He was making money in 10 days.

It was just crazy because the other people who were following this thing with me ended up starting to show these same results, as well. The second lady had a similar story. She was extremely new on the internet. The first call I did with her, she didn’t know what affiliate marketing was at all. She and her husband were there on Skype. She’s from Holland, English is her second language, and the first call was an hour I spent basically explaining to her what affiliate marketing is. This is the newest of newbies.

We followed the same process with her. I found her a great niche, a great little affiliate offer. She set up a simple site. She couldn’t even write the articles herself because her English wasn’t good enough, so I helped her by connecting her with my article writer. She got the content written from there. She had the site up. She got her first sale after three and a half weeks, maybe 25 days or something like that. She made $28.50 on her first sale on it. She doesn’t speak enough English to write their own articles and when we started literally didn’t even know what affiliate marketing was.

There was another person after this, as well. I won’t waste the whole call talking about these examples, but there’s really no doubt in my mind that following a specific set of steps and doing just a few parts of the process perfectly right can lead absolutely anyone to make money with this stuff right now, 2013, at the supposed most difficult time for this stuff ever. They can do this well. They can replicate it, continue to do it, and make more or less as much money as they want with this stuff.

Mark: I want to point something out. You said she made $28.50 on her first sale. This is something I want to point out that’s something that’s a little bit unique to you compared to a lot of the things that I see people doing and a lot of the things that I see people talking about online. That is these commissions.

Play a little game with me. If one in every 10 visitors to your site buys something and you make a commission of $100, how many visitors do you need to make $100?

Andrew: 10.

Mark: You need 10, right. If you only make $1 per sale, how many visitors do you need?

Andrew: 100.

Mark: The point is you always target these mega commission things that pay big on conversion. Is that part of your strategy? I know finding offers is a whole, multi, 10 videos section of the course, but can you just talk a little bit about this kind of idea of finding the right offer, and then maybe we can start trying to wrap this up a little bit?

Andrew: Sure. There are two things that are worth mentioning here. The first one is the form of traffic. Really, this is a reason to say, again, and I have to keep saying this; search traffic really is where it is for affiliates. That is the place to be. We can talk about 100 ways that if you’re an affiliate you can get traffic to your site.

We can talk about Facebook ads and social media and we can talk about article submissions. The list of ways to get traffic is endless, but the reality is that if you’re an affiliate, there is no possibly way that you could generate one sale every 10 visitors with a method of traffic other than search engine marketing.

SEO is a challenge because you do have to do a small amount of work to keep up with the way that it changes, but the reward for keeping up with the way that it changes is that you can continue to makes sites and get traffic where you only need 10 visitors to be able to make a sale. You can’t do that with any other form of traffic.

When people talk about SEO being dead, search engine traffic being too difficult, I always want to laugh. I always want to mock them and say, “Okay, what are you doing instead? Tell me this fantastic way of getting traffic that you have where you can get one sale every 10 visitors.” No one ever has an answer to that. That point is really important and worth mentioning.

The second thing is that search engine traffic is the most targeted traffic for affiliates, but it’s not just targeted by default. The majority of search engine traffic you get is untargeted. The way that you make a sale every 10 visitors is by finding people who already want stuff. You don’t go out and try to convince people on an idea that they’re not already convinced of. You go into a market where people are already looking for some product, they already want it, and they need the information and the last step of the process.

They need buying information. They need comparisons or they need reviews or they need coupons or they need discounts or they need bonuses or whatever. They’re convinced of the product already, you don’t have to sell them. You just have to present them with a way of purchasing it and make it easy for them to do that.

If you can do that, then you can make a sale every 10 visitors. The reality is what we’re talking about here is just products; keywords that represent products, little market areas that are just products, people who are searching for one particular thing that they’re already sold, they already want it.

I’ll give you a really concrete example from my own life. We just bought this new blender recently. It’s one of those hardcore, super blenders. It’s called a Vitamix. You guys, I’m sure, have heard about it.

A friend told me about this Vitamix. He had one. He’s this super health guru guy and he was really into it. He told me and he sold me on the idea of it. He told me exactly how rad it is when I was over at his house, he made me one of these smoothies, he told me about all the nutrients that he could get into it. I was sold.

I go to Google and I search “Vitamix.” When I search “Vitamix” remember, I am already sold. I know how good it is already. I already want one of these things. For someone to sell me on the Vitamix, to get me to click a link to go and buy the Vitamix, no one’s doing any work for that. However, when I Google “Vitamix”, I don’t necessarily want to go straight to the Vitamix website because I know, like any smart person does, that there are things the company is going to tell me and there are things that only someone outside of the company can tell me.

I want to know if it’s as good as a competing blender, for example. I want to know if there’s any secret discount codes available that the company wouldn’t want me to know about, and many other things like that. If I came across them, and it happened that I didn’t on this example, but if I had come across a site where someone had a good review clearly laying out why this was a smart choice, even compared to other blenders and providing some discount code, that or any other number of things, I would have clicked that person’s link in an instant.

People do this with things every day. There are absolutely unlimited numbers of products that people do this for. You can’t even imagine it, especially for Americans because they just represent the majority of the internet. It’s the biggest market in the world. You can’t even imagine the number of things there are that are products that people already want that they have gone to Google to look for. Even the ones that you could possible find represent only a tiny fraction of the total number of them.

Even if in theory you found them all, you would wake up tomorrow morning and there would be more of them. These markets refresh and they come anew every day. Someone releases something new and there’s a TV ad on, and suddenly a group of people are searching for that product that really want it.

There’s literally no limit to the number of these markets, but you just can’t find them in any simple way. You can’t just go to Click Bank and uncover one of those. You can’t just become and affiliate for Amazon and another one of those. You need to know how to do it. If you know how to do it, then you can quickly access a market that’s extremely profitable that you can get a sale every 10 visitors from and you can make money from that for as long as you like.

Mark: I was pretty shocked. You have a preview of the course out there. You were kind enough to let me look at it. I was shocked, stunned, and amazed that for the first time ever (as far as I know) you’ve published a list of your favorite niches in there.

Andrew: Yes.

Mark: I could not believe that. Why did you decide to do that?

Andrew: Full disclosure, they’re not the exact niches that I’m in. They are, but it’s the area. I can tell you on this call as well, the place I’ve traditionally made the most money as an affiliate is offers related to weight loss and offers related to beauty. That’s what I’ve helped guide people towards.

There’s a list of market areas that are just like that that I’ve said, “Look, from having done this for about seven years now, these are the places where both I have made the most money and where I’ve seen people I’ve taught make the most money from this stuff.” The reality is that with this model, it lends itself to great profitability from some markets more so than others.

If you’re getting this course, I’m saving you the time of having to search through every market and not know exactly what are the best things to do look for. I said, “Let me guide your search a little bit. These are the places where you’re most likely to find the gold.” That was the purpose of that, and hopefully it will achieve that.

Mark: Congratulations on the course. It’s absolutely beautiful. I know you’re not launching until later in February, it’s actually February 1st here now. Good luck with that.

I know that you have published a free report and I’ve made that report available on the Late Night Internet Marketing website. It’s at LateNightIM.com/FAReport. I have some more thoughts about your course that I’m going to be sharing with everybody. Listeners can find that at LateNightIM.com/andrew.

Andrew: 400,000?

Mark: Okay, maybe not that many.

Andrew: You have a crazy sense of humor, Mark. Yeah, I think it’s like 55 videos or something like that. There are probably 400,000 minutes of me speaking and explaining stuff, so there’s definitely a lot of stuff in there.

Mark: I guess it’s 50 videos, but you have it laid out in five or six sections and the videos are sort of in order and they’re not ridiculous, although the video on the affiliate engine that you use and the way you use the engine that you use to find offers, which we’ve talked about before, Offer Vault, that’s an excellent video that you have in there. I really like that one, as well.

Andrew: Yeah, there are a couple of new techniques that I’ve been using in there from leveraging Offer Vault to dig through that and find the best offers as quickly as possible; the most profitable things as quickly as possible. People should enjoy that.

Mark: I’ll be talking a little bit about what’s inside the course, but we wish you all the luck in the world. If people want to find you on your blog and hook up with you, what’s the best way for people to follow you?

Andrew: Definitely check out AndrewHansen.name. I’m always publishing cool articles on there with some of the tests I’m doing, like we’ve been talking about, about affiliate marketing and SEO strategies and all kinds of stuff like that to be able to keep making money with this stuff and live that passive income lifestyle as long as possible.

Mark: Awesome. Thank you so much for spending time. I know it’s creeping up 11:00 a.m. GMT, that’s even a little bit early for you, right?

Andrew: I feel badly saying so, given that you’re up at 3:00 a.m. You have kids to worry about and all that stuff, but yeah. It is a little bit.

Mark: That’s okay. I appreciate you getting up for me, as well. I look forward to talking you. Maybe we can touch base after the launch and talk a little bit about how things went. Once you have a bunch of people going through the course, seeing what kind of feedback you’re getting and how things are going.

Andrew: I’d love to do that, Mark. Thank you again for having me.

Mark: Thanks, Andrew. I really appreciate it. Have a good one.

Andrew: You, too.

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